Is there anyone who checks this forum, but doesn't check the Grumble?
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- Thread starter Ellen Collins MCPF
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I frequent the G less and less, but still do check in.
I hardly ever go on the G anymore. Haven't used it regularly in a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time.
Same as above, I find it embarrassing overall, woe to the newbie or consumer landing on that site.
I stopped "Grumble"-ing last year. Les
A lot of people feel that way, unfortunately ( for the G ) It is very frustrating for the moderators.
Things seem much more civil and friendly here, IMO. We have never had a troublemaker. I think the membership requirement filters out much of the riff-raff, which is often from people no longer even in the industry. I think using real names and having ones shop info on every post also helps to keep folks accountable and on topic.
Both forums serve an important purpose, though, and appeal to slightly different audiences.
Mike
Things seem much more civil and friendly here, IMO. We have never had a troublemaker. I think the membership requirement filters out much of the riff-raff, which is often from people no longer even in the industry. I think using real names and having ones shop info on every post also helps to keep folks accountable and on topic.
Both forums serve an important purpose, though, and appeal to slightly different audiences.
Mike
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I agree Mike there is a lot of useful info there, and I probably would not be a member of the PPFA if it wasn't a presence/topic on the G.
I still check in with the G, but more like once or twice a week.
I use both forums. As a one person shop, the forum's are a great way to work get answers. I think that since the Grumble has more members checking in, a framer gets answers a bit faster. I think that the Grumble has made the framing community closer...think Danny Boy, Chickies scarf, Rob's Chinese Dinner. With only so much time I just skip over "warped" and stick to business, framing, techie and stuff being sold. I think the Framer's Corner could have a much greater force if folks got into the habit of checking in. The interface is appealing and the moderators do a fine job. The potential is great here, but we need much more volume.
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I really do not get on the G. I signed up several years ago but have probably only been there a dozen or so times over the years. I will check it if some one says you really should read this or that. I do not like the attitude of some of the people there, sorry. I like this forum much better as you can have a decent discussion, in most cases, and agree to disagree.
The statistics are decent for a private forum, but there is still a lot more potential.
The old (pre 2/14/2012) Framer's Corner had a total of 285 registrants, over several years, before it went offline. The current Framer's Corner has already had more than 900 registrations, in its first 21 months.
Participation activity was fantastic, just after the Vegas show. A lot of members found out about it for the first time, in Las Vegas. The 16 private committee forums are also quite busy. I believe all but two committees have switched to the forum, from the previous system of voice teleconference calls.
This is already a great resource, but I see far more potential in it.
How can we increase volume and get more members involved with this forum?
Mike
The old (pre 2/14/2012) Framer's Corner had a total of 285 registrants, over several years, before it went offline. The current Framer's Corner has already had more than 900 registrations, in its first 21 months.
Participation activity was fantastic, just after the Vegas show. A lot of members found out about it for the first time, in Las Vegas. The 16 private committee forums are also quite busy. I believe all but two committees have switched to the forum, from the previous system of voice teleconference calls.
This is already a great resource, but I see far more potential in it.
How can we increase volume and get more members involved with this forum?
Mike
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Thanks Mike.
Can you expand this graph by including the number of posts since the start of Framers Corner?
That way you can see a trend as to busy month and not so busy month this year and last year.
Can you expand this graph by including the number of posts since the start of Framers Corner?
That way you can see a trend as to busy month and not so busy month this year and last year.
Certainly. Keep in mind that a lot of the initial posts in month one were from the moderators hashing out the details of the system, in our private committee/discussion area. (before and after launch)
I think that members need to get in the habit of checking the forum. Now, if I could only break the Grumble habit!
There might be a few framers out there with password issues.
Perhaps we could get some vendors to donate some prizes to be hidden in some posts. Contests generate a fun atmosphere too. Some of our vendors do this on Facebook.
There might be a few framers out there with password issues.
Perhaps we could get some vendors to donate some prizes to be hidden in some posts. Contests generate a fun atmosphere too. Some of our vendors do this on Facebook.
If anyone ever has trouble remembering their password, and wants to select a new one - please refer them to help@ppfacorner.com We don't have the ability to look up passwords, because they are encrypted, but will be glad to help them pick a new one.
The screen that has the "sorry -wrong password" message also has a link that they can click, to change/reset the password.
That link points to: http://www.ppfacorner.com/login.php?do=lostpw
This causes the system to send an email out, to verify that the request is legitimate. Once they click the link within, they'll be prompted for a new password. This option is automated, and available 24/7.
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I have the feeling, that among the 800 members of Framers Corner a proportion is no longer member of the PPFA yet are still listed as members of this Forum.
Prizes can work as an incentive. How about twelve posts a year will give a discount of $12 on the membership of PPFA?
There are many watchers on FC who never post anything. Perhaps they do not like to eternalize their thoughts or opinions.
Prizes can work as an incentive. How about twelve posts a year will give a discount of $12 on the membership of PPFA?
There are many watchers on FC who never post anything. Perhaps they do not like to eternalize their thoughts or opinions.
The list is members is the largest list. Some other (non members) joined in the past to check out the forum, or to take advantage of the open house.
If someones membership lapses, their forum access is also adjusted from "PPFA MEMBER" to "Non Member Guest (Lapsed)" When this happens, they lose access to the second block of forums.
Mike
If someones membership lapses, their forum access is also adjusted from "PPFA MEMBER" to "Non Member Guest (Lapsed)" When this happens, they lose access to the second block of forums.
Mike
900 registered users is almost the US PPFA membership, Kai, so that number alone of registered users is really high number.
Well, I guess I'm going to frankenthread Ellen's post a bit.
There are a couple of things that come to mind as I read this.
First, it's a bit of "the tail wagging the dog." FC is a benefit for members in part to increase membership, not the end goal.
One might argue that increasing posts increases it's interest and thus increases membership.
So, how do we create an ROI and implementation of such a policy?
Every moderator and committee chair immediately gets a $12 reduction in dues?
Why not? OK, you figure out how to not immediately loose $100s of dollars at least.
How do you keep track? Is the discount for the next year? who tells who so we know when and how to apply said discount?
Then, how many discounts do you have to give to increase the posting enough to entice one new member?
The whole thing is too complicated and the ROI is too "soft" for implementation.
BUT, let's look at the "number of posts" as a challenge to be improved upon.
I've considered it for a while and I think our "problem" is that we are "too good."
What do I mean by that?
First, most PPFA members are better informed and educated that the general population of framers.
That means, when they see an answer to a question, they generally understand it and apply it to the problem at hand.
Couple that with the fact that most of our posters are the recognized educators and knowledgeable people associated with the industry and you get a reasonable solution or two within a few posts. Others coming along later don't post because there is usually very little to add and they recognize that fact. Other forums have ignorant people posting antiquated techniques as if they are the best available. Then, the threads get very long trying to explain that they are ignorant, without hurting their feelings. Then, they realize what's happening and they get mad that they're being called ignorant. It makes for very long threads with really bad content that other ignorant framers can't sort through.
I guess my conclusion is that More posts don't necessarily make a better forum.
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That's the problem, those ignorant people don't understand that being called ignorant isn't the same as being called stupid. They get their panties in a bunch just because they don't have all / latest best knowledge on a subject. You may be knowledgeable today but if you don't keep up, you'll be ignorant tomorrow. :smug:
