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Hanging Heavy Mirrors - Older lath & plaster wall...

John Ranes II CPF GCF

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OK... I've run into these only and handful of times, but when a regular customer recently moved from one older home into a 1900's home and needed three very large heavy mirrors hung, I did what any smart framer would do.... I consulted with another framer who have more experience than myself. (Rob Markoff sent me some tips and along with my previous experience, I pulled it off!)

I executed this project last month, but wanted to share this with others here and give a thank-you shout out to Rob for his advice and input.





This was the largest of the three mirrors, which also made me the most nervous. As you can see, it came out well. All three mirrors were hung using Hangman (french cleats) 30 inch strips. This largest mirror weights 73 lbs.

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I've used Hangman strips before and love them....but never had to rely on them as much as this situation. I prefer these over Z-bar with their traditional lip which grabs regardless of any unevenness to the wall surface. As you can see I used plenty of screws.

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Above you can see where I used Rob's painter's tape and envelope trick for collecting any dust while drilling holes on a job. This is perhaps one of my favorite tidbits during 40 years of framing. You will also see that I used Toggler brand wall anchors. Although I normally stock these in my hanging kit, this time I used a style a little different that Rob also suggested... Toggler Alligator wall anchors. These were useful on the first of the three mirrors which was hung into old brick-stone-plaster over a fireplace...

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Close-up of Toggler Alligator wall anchor

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This is the completed first mirror hanging above the fireplace. It weighs 43 lbs!

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This is the second mirror hanging on a lathe and plaster wall where the mirror weighs 25 lbs. I used the 3/16 inch Toggler Alligator wall anchors on the first two mirrors. This is where Rob Markoff's experience really helped. He mentioned using two drill bits and I did...

First I drilled with a masonry bit through the thick plaster until I hit the lath. I then switched to a BRAND NEW standard drill bit that nicely cut through the lath. The wall anchors bit nicely.

I did purchase both the 3/16 and the 1/4 inch anchors, but would probably opt for the 3/16 inch when paired with the Hangman cleat. Thanks Rob for your input on this project. I am now totally fearless when a client calls with old walls! :thumb:

Regards,

John
 
I did purchase both the 3/16 and the 1/4 inch anchors, but would probably opt for the 3/16 inch when paired with the Hangman cleat. Thanks Rob for your input on this project. I am now totally fearless when a client calls with old walls! :thumb:

Regards,

John[/QUOTE]

John, thanks for the info as we have plenty of 100 year old homes in my area and get calls of this nature. Question: why do you like the Hangman cleat better than the regular Z bar? Could you elaborate? Guess I need to visit them in Vegas this coming year!!
 
...John, thanks for the info as we have plenty of 100 year old homes in my area and get calls of this nature. Question: why do you like the Hangman cleat better than the regular Z bar? Could you elaborate? Guess I need to visit them in Vegas this coming year!!

Hi Adela,

Although they work, I've never been a fan of standard Z-Bar and have always used Hangman strips in hanging heavy, large frames. They simply simulate an actual wooden french cleat in that they "wedge" over each other rather than "Lap" over each other, it that makes any sense. If the stip is a long 30 inch plus length, and the wall has any wave-unevenness to it, then you might have issues engaging the two components on a Z-Bar.

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Secondly the fit and finish is a little nicer on the Hangman cleat strip.

The other big take-away that I got out of this experience was...

First I drilled with a masonry bit through the thick plaster until I hit the lath. I then switched to a BRAND NEW standard drill bit that nicely cut through the lath. The wall anchors bit nicely.

Rob Markoff's double drilling technique worked so beautifully, I was amazed...:thumb:

John
 
As a Z-Bar enthusiast, the first thing I noticed and really liked, was the Hangman system has way more holes allowing for more selection of anchor placement. I must convert.

Or at least give them a try Les. We stock them in consumer packaging in 12, 24 and 36 inch versions. This way, they are in our POS system as a general inventory item and ready to pull or allow the customer to purchase as a D-I-Y item.

John
 
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